from Novel Writing - A Writers' & Artists' Companion by Romesh Gunasekera and A.L. Kennedy
Romesh Gunasekera interviews Chris Meade, Director of if:book UK, a think and do tank
exploring the future of the book and a champion of digital media. From 2000 to
2007 he was Director of Booktrust, the UK reading promotion charity, and
previously the Director of the Poetry Society where he set up the Poetry Café
in Covent Garden. He’s currently a PhD student at Bath Spa University making a
digital fiction: www.nearlyology.net
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Chris, I
thought I’d try to fox any computer-aided answering programmes you might have
by using the alphabet as the only logic for my questions. So we will start with
what ‘A’ might prompt.
Advice: For an aspiring novelist
today, getting their toolkit together, what is your advice?
We’re all
amplified authors now, sharing our words naturally, with friends and then a
widening circle of readers via social media, blogging, self publishing and
possibly via a traditional publisher, but we don’t need a publisher in the way
we once did. What’s vital is to seek out
a community of trusted advisors to help us decide when work is ‘cooked’ enough
to share and how best to package up and sell what we’ve written. I'd like to
see libraries as the natural hub for such a community, but they're not that
now.
Book: The physical book has been
around since Moses found that tablet, but for most of us the book has meant a
bunch of papers with writing on it stuck together as it has been for a few
hundred years. So will it continue in that form?
Paper
stuck together at the edges with glue will survive I’m sure, but for some time
already it's the content stored digitally that is the core version of the work,
whether it’s then printed and bound or downloaded or simply read on a website.
My book loving friends once swore blind they’d never read on screen and now
enthuse about their kindles and iPads, so I think more will be read that way,
but those that do get printed will be beautiful, tactile, making full use of print
technology.
Cafe: Give us some clues to the
equivalent of the Poetry Cafe in cyberspace.
We set up
the Poetry Café when I was Director of the Poetry Society and I always imagined
it as a virtual space too. www.poetrysociety.org.uk
is the centre of a poetry community and the youngpoetsnetwork on facebook is
another hangout for young writers. Despite the dangers of wasting time online,
it’s a place where writers can meet and share ideas, as well as research.
Device: What’s your favourite
device? Why? Would our readers recognize it by the time this book comes out?
The iPad
or tablet is what we’ve been waiting for as a pleasurable means to curl up with
literary works that can include text, sound, images, video and opportunities to
write to the book too. That’s where literature can spread its wings and fly up
above the confines of the printed page.
I like
paperbacks still, and reading on the go on my mobile too, though. Maybe next
we’ll be able to download novels direct to our memories so we suddenly find we
‘know’ War & Peace without needing to read it at all – but I hope not.
E-book: In America it is big, in
the UK it is growing, in Japan it is phenomenal, in the rest of the world it is
negligible. Like a lot of innovations in technology there is a problem that
e-books lock you into a system: you have to shop in the same place. The beauty
of the original design of the book was that it opened doors. So how will that
be dealt with?
Did it
really open so many doors? The doors of libraries and bookshops can be
intimidating to many, and these used to be the only places books could be
found. I worked for many years in bookshops and libraries and love them dearly,
feel sad to see both dwindling, but they’re closing because there are frankly
better ways to make the word accessible now and we should celebrate that – and
be healthily sceptical about the commercial and social forces which control
those spaces. Searching and surfing
opens more doors than ever.
Future: What can the Institute for
the Future of the Book tell us about the future of the book?
It aims
to widen definitions of what a book is, was and will be. The mission statement written by the Insititute’s founder
Bob Stein in 2007 still puts it very well:
For the past five hundred years, humans have used
print — the book and its various page-based cousins — to move ideas across time
and space. Radio, cinema and television emerged in the last century and now,
with the advent of computers, we are combining media to forge new forms of
expression. For now, we use the word "book" broadly, even
metaphorically, to talk about what has come before — and what might come next.
In all
the fuss about e-books and apps we’re failing to appreciate the web itself as an
astounding and never ending book of freely accessible information and
imagination.
Google: Anything you’d like say
about Google and books?
Not
naming names, but I hate secretive, greedy, tax-dodging, global corporates.
Then again, it amuses me how people say, “wouldn’t it be wonderful if…” and
then, when that happens and we get free access to it, say, “isn’t it terrible
that…”
The ambition
to put into the public domain all the texts which previously vanished into invisible
out-of-printness takes my breath away, but the ethics of how that's done are
questionable. We need to ensure that
search engines are guiding us to knowledge, not signposts pointing where the
advertisers want us to go.
Hardbacks: What is the
e-equivalent of the hardback, which was the dream of many would-be novelists
for so long.
Try
looking at the work of Touchpress who make apps about the Planets, the
Elements, and a gorgeous version of the The Wasteland; lavish productions full
of clever and appropriate interactivity.
Print on
demand makes it easier than ever to make a hardback book of anything, but
surely the essence of the writers dream is to be recognised and appreciated. As
Benjamin Zephaniah said in an interview with if:book, “ “the important thing is to publish
in people’s hearts.”
I: imac, iphone, ipad. I had a
student who wrote a wonderful story about an iChild. Is i-before everything, or
its android equivalent, the answer to all problems?
i-doubt
it.
Joyce: Margaret Atwood in a recent
interview commented, ‘James Joyce was fascinated by all forms of writing … He’d
be on Twitter like a shot.’ Do you think Ulysses would have been even longer if
he had Twitter? Or just 140 characters? Would it, and all the other forms of
social media available, have been a distraction or an inspiration?
I think
it can be hard to decide when you're being distracted or inspired online. Noodling
about on the web often feels like timewasting, but can lead to nuggets of information
and ideas. Would Joyce tweet? #yesIsaidyesIwillYes
Kindle: Is it the Kindle the
Penguin of our times, or was it?
Penguin
paperbacks were probably more revolutionary in opening up access to literature
to a wide public, bringing down the price of books and presenting them as
affordable and acceptable items to carry around in any pocket. Then again, Iast
Christmas I found myself sitting on the toilet at midnight downloading a book
I’d just bought and thought this really is a radically new way to buy literature!
Less: Less is More was a handy tip
for writers. But with digital tools the temptation is to do more and more as
there are very few physical constraints. So is the new tip More is More?
Did
authors ever enthuse about having to write novels of a certain length? I don’t
think so. They railed against constraints until these were removed and then
began to moan about needing them.
Isn't it preferable to let the story you
want to tell define the length, shape, form and distribution method that seems most
appropriate for it?
More: see above. Anything to add?
It's interesting that the web has spawned
a lot of short form writing like Flash Fiction whereas TV’s moved towards epic
narratives like The Wire, The Killing, Breaking Bad. It seems our attention span can be stretched
or tightened any which way.
I’m currently working on a novel which
includes a narrative, songs, reader contributions, collaborations and live
events. MORE doesn't need to be a longer and longer story; it could involve
spin-off stories for a community of readers hooked by the core text; it could
be work in other media. If that makes your head ache, don’t panic. The whole
point is that writers and readers can choose what they want from the growing menu
of possibilities.
Novel: what is the biggest
challenge for the novel in the digital age?
To be
novel. It depresses me how many debates around fiction have become so defensive
and backward looking – there’s this horror that things might change. Novelists
of all people should be looking for new ways to tell stories to best express
what it is to be alive today.
Openings: The opening page of the
novel has had tremendous attention in recent years. Possibly this is due to
creative writing courses. It is also because of the natural tendency to use it
as the selection criteria when faced with huge numbers of submissions. As a
result opening pages of most manuscripts receive 80% of a writer’s energy, and after
that the rest of the novel tends to fade. In the digital world is this even
more important? Will it all be about first impressions of the first web page,
the first image? Or is it more holistic?
In the
olden days readers only had the blurb on the back of the book to go on. I’ve
heard it said that self published Kindle authors agonise over the first few sampler
pages which hook readers into buying, but they won't get repeat downloads if
they don’t keep hold of our attention after that. There’s still a hunger for big stories – when
they’re worth it.
And
analytics can reveal not just how many visits your work received but exactly
when people got bored and went away again.
Physicality: Tell me about the
physicality of digital books. One of the pleasures of the paper book is that if
you love it, the touch, the feel, the smell and the look all contribute to your
enjoyment and memory of it. If you don’t like the book -- for the words in it,
the emotions in it, the smell of the paper -- you can slam it down or chuck it
away. Physical satisfaction either way. But you can’t fling your expensive
electronic device quite the same way. You can certainly have the positive
feelings about it but it is not so easy to express the negative. But is there
an alternative way of expressing this physical relationship with things of the
mind, other then pressing the delete button really hard?
Tapping, swiping
and pulling at the screen of a tablet is a very touchy-feely experience.
Touchpress for instance make beautiful literary apps which are a delight to
handle.
If you
hated an eBook enough you could always smash your eReader I suppose, which
would be cathartic but costly. I suggest keeping a cushion to hand which you
can hurl and bash and cuddle as a means of expressing your reading experience.
Maybe we could market special thumpable reading cushions and make a fortune!
Quirky: What is the quirkiest thing you
have come across in digital media?
Blimey –
the web is a cathedral of quirk! For a fascinating digital literary mind making
projects that couldn’t exist on the page, try Tim Wright http://timwright.typepad.com/. His
Kidmapper project involved him walking in the footsteps of Stevenson’s book and
reading extracts to a community of reader. The New Media Writing Prize, now
five years old, highlights a fascinating range of experiments www.newmediawritingprize.co.uk
Royalties: is there a future for
royalties? And the publisher-writer relationship?
Ok, so the
money is the big issue. But it's not insurmountable. At one it was widely held that
everything online was always going to be free, but now we’re getting back into the
habit of buying chunks of digital stuff from app stores etc.
‘The
publisher-writer relationship’ isn’t some mystical experience, and can be a
feeble one. Writers need certain kinds of advice and support and they can find
this in new places now.
What bugs
me is that we’re all being dragged into worrying about the woes of publishers.
Let’s get the horse in front of the cart again: writers concentrate on making
great work for readers and let business people find ways to generate income for
us and them from the results.
Search Engines: It is hard to
imagine we managed without them. Are they getting better, or worse?
I fancy
making a search engine that operates like the worst small local libraries of
yore: closed on Wednesdays with a limited range of titles and a grouchy
librarian looking sniffy if you asked for something s/he felt was
inappropriate. I hate being told what I'd like by some algorithm, but they do
seem to be getting better at it.
Text: what does this word mean to
you?
How about
thinking of it as a fluid thing, made of words that sometimes drip slowly,
sometimes pour from us, which can be uttered, scattered, enriched and evolved, cupped
in our hands, held in all manner of containers?
I like the idea of the Liquid Book.
Unlibrary: You were keen on
unlibraries? Tell me more about that and un-books.
We ran a
pop up Unlibrary within Hornsey Library for a year. It was a room with wi-fi,
tables and chairs, shelves on which users could put information about
themselves and create little assemblages based on their interests, with an
email or twitter address displayed so others could contact them. We ran a
weekly drop in and helped launch a philosophy learning circle and a songwriting
group which still thrive. So here was a place where local readers and writers
could make themselves known, seek collaborators, and meet together to think and
create. Why ‘un’? Because it’s a library
turned inside out - the people and their
interests are the resource, given space to mingle as much as they wish. Out of
that grew the idea of the Nearlyversity: informal tutorial groups devising
their own courses using free resources from the web and meeting in cafes to
discuss and help keep each other on track.
Virtual Reality: Do novels do it
better than computers?
You can
read a novel on a computer, but YES if you mean that there is still nothing
richer than the world created by words in the brain.
But let’s
not get complacent about it - there’s so much smug, nostalgic twaddle spoken
about the power of books, as if music, film, games and multimedia can’t be
mindblowing too.
Websites: Lots of questions here.
What should a novelist do about a website? How? Are there websites you would
recommend for information on writing, as publishing platforms, for digital
media?
Yes you
need a basic website now, at least as a digital equivalent of a business card.
Beyond that it's up to you to decide whether you want to publish and/or sell
your work there, encoyrage lots of interaction with your readers or none whatsoever.
Go to www.theliteraryplatform.com and www.thewritingplatform as well as www.ifbook.co.uk for good stuff on digital
writing and links to much more.
X-factor: So what is the x-factor
in digital media?
The good
news is that there’s no Simon Cowell figure telling you if you’re any good or
not. The New Media Writing Prize is an annual prize for this kind of work.
Bringing the inspirational sensibility of literary mind to digital formats is
what if:book’s work is all about.
Young: Will the young read
differently since they now learn to handle touch screens sooner, and better, before
they learn handle letters?
Yes.
Neuroscience shows that using tablet computers changes the shape of our brains.
But then neuroscience shows that everything changes the shape of our brains.
Young people will discover the joy of reading, watching and making on whatever
tools they come across.
Zero Sum Game: Is the link between a novel and
a game, similar to the link between a novel and a film? Or does the digital age
offer us something different?
The great
thing about digital is that we can make our own links, connections and remixes. Writers can make
novelishgameythings,
poemydrawingybloggythings, storyessaysongy things as they wish, and put
these online where readers can find them if they’re looking. This age offers us
amazing opportunities to make something different. Now it’s up to writers to
seize the time.
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